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I remember Le Guin speaking at my university around 1990. She was amazingly open about her writing process. While she did not directly answer questions about the “meaning” of her writing, she did facilitate the discussion about her work’s meaning, and asked the audience challenging questions.

Of all my time at uni, I wish I had a recording of this event.

I understood from students who had attended a writing workshop with her earlier in the day, that she was gifted teacher.

Her book Steering the Craft, is very much her writing workshop distilled into book form.

Le Guin's characterisation of magic and the power of Names remains one of my favourite treatments of the themes in modern fantasy. Earthsea remains one of my pleasures.

I could never really get into LeGuin. It's been a long while since I tried reading Earthsea but it seems like a very mediocre fantasy novel with a plot that struggles to actually go anywhere. Apparently it's trying to preach some kind of political message about racism, and doing it poorly -- I didn't get that message at all when I read it, and only later learned about the racial aspect of it.

If you want to write good fantasy, it helps a lot to include: Huge exploding fireballs. Cool-looking protagonists mastering the battlefield with confidence and style. World-altering stakes.

LeGuin has none of the above, and overall just seems kinda...mid. I'm confused why so many people seem to gush over Earthsea.

(Notwithstanding the above, it's okay with me if you happen to like LeGuin -- I'm not trying to be the taste police. I'm posting because I'm trying to figure out what all the fuss is about, and wondering if I'm missing something -- so dissenting opinions are welcome!)

> f you want to write good fantasy, it helps a lot to include: Huge exploding fireballs. Cool-looking protagonists mastering the battlefield with confidence and style. World-altering stakes.

Maybe for people that don't subscribe to this, something a bit less... Action-y makes it more interesting.

Something about how you phrased this makes me think you might appreciate Master of Five Magics by Lyndon Hardy. There are five kinds of magic, each with their own unique source, style, and pretty rigorous rule set, and the protagonist sets out to learn them all (unheard of, if not outright forbidden).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_the_Five_Magics

The author has a background in Taoism. That book didn’t really make sense to me until I started practicing Zen.

Like most things in that tradition, it’s less about a “message”, and more about learning something about yourself. Cf meditation.

Le Guin is one of the most intentional authors out there. Her works, Earthsea included, smack you in the face with deliberate messages.

Yes, because you don't understand them. That's basically the difference between Western and Eastern style religions. Here it's not a theory, it's a path. It's about you. When she writes “To light a candle is to cast a shadow”, what does that mean to you? How does that affect the way you live your life? Your relationship with others? To take it as a simple "message" is like going to the gym to stare at the weights.

please do not feed the troll everybody

I can’t tell because of my age whether everyone forgot this lesson or that the younger crowd is now online and never learned it.

Quick someone invent a time travel machine to explain to Tolkien he has been doing fantasy wrong !

If you ever move out of your moms basement, and maybe have a real relationship with another human, try reading these things again and see how you feel.

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Interesting perspective of someone curating an exhibit for their famous mother. I am a fan of her writing, but strangely I most often go back to Le Guin’s audio book reading of ‘Lao Tzu: Tao Te Ching’ with short musical interludes and small sound effects. 100% satisfying to listen to.

Thanks for the tip. My local library has it; I'll grab it tomorrow.

Slightly tangential, but I discovered recently that the famous literary critic Harold Bloom was a huge fan of Ursula Le Guin and rated her one of the great canonical writers of the 20th century, in all of literature not just sci-fi. Also, they never met but they struck up a polite friendship over email when they were both old and chatted back and forth.

Some might consider this raises the stature of Ursula Le Guin. I consider it rather as raising the stature of Harold Bloom. He recognized how she transcended genre and belongs alongside (or perhaps, above) writers of highbrow literary fiction.

> He recognized how she transcended genre and belongs alongside (or perhaps, above) writers of highbrow literary fiction.

In the 70s and 80s, Le Guin and other SFF authors were very aware of the literary divide that often regarded most science fiction and fantasy as little better than pulp fiction. Gene Wolfe's essays and speeches in Castle of Days touch on this several times.

What changed was the arrival of a new generation of literary critics, researchers, and readers who knew greatness in some of the SFF works of the era.

Everybody that I know that reads SF has their own favorite Ursula K. Le Guin story. I have a hard time because I have two. 'The Lathe of Heaven' and 'The Left Hand of Darkness'.

Mine is 'City of Illusions.' I liked the Patterning Frame, which appears in it; I made one. https://7402.org/blog/2021/patterning-frame.html

I think “The word for world is forest” is criminally underrated.

Yes, true, that's also a great one. I should really re-read all of them.

2026 is the 60th anniversary of Rocannon’s World, the first novel of her Hainish Cycle SF books. I’m rereading all of them over the course of the year to celebrate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainish_Cycle

She is one of my writer-heroes.

I enjoyed The Left Hand of Darkness and Earthsea, but my favourite of her works is Always Coming Home [1]. Such a rich and varied and humane book.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always_Coming_Home

I read _Always Coming Home_ about 30 years ago now, and ever since, "heya" has been my default greeting. I could count how many people recognised it on my fingers, but that doesn't matter.

I have a signed copy of 'The Left Hand of Darkness' and I will never let it go.

I do wish my copy of 'The Dispossessed' was signed. That book is a masterpiece!

Although I love most of her fantasy works, I found 'The Dispossessed' to be too difficult for me. However, that's probably because her interests were broader than mine.

If you want some help then check out Mythgard Academy's course: https://mythgard.org/academy/dispossessed/

Thanks, but watching an eighteen-hour seminar on a book so that I can enjoy that book doesn't seem worth it to me. (Note that "to me"; I'm quite open to being a literary lightweight. My experience of AP English in high school was that it inoculated me against the great works of literature.)

I eventually dropped out of a PhD Lit program, but damn the AP English syllabus did everything it could do to dissuade me from enjoying literature.

I feel you on not wanting to read stuff that can't be read without footnotes.

As a person actively organizing with anarchists and who has had a lot of long, fraught relationships leading to my late 40s, I found the Dispossessed to be relatable is ways I wouldn't have if I'd read it earlier in life.

I don't know if it's a difficult book, but I can see how it might land differently for me in different situations.

Lucky you! Make sure your heirs realize the significance...

> ... 'The Left Hand of Darkness'

I read it last year. I found it to be quit boring and it also felt kinda "dated" in the sense that more recent SF is more space-y. However, the social constructs were well thought out.

Replying for anyone reading this comment: Le Guin was a Daoist, but also, and concurrently, an anarchist. So much of her writing, especially The Word for World is Forest, parts of Earthsea, The Dispossessed, is informed by her anarchism. Very often you find Le Guin exploring ideas of an anarchist response to colonialism, or just enjoying setting out an anarchist society and imagining how it might work, how it would unfold, the challenges it would face, and the solutions people might try.

The social constructs were the entire point. The spacey stuff was just a vehicle to get a more relatable protagonist into the story.

Funnily enough, at the time (50 years ago) one common criticism of LeGuin was her lack of space battles and ray guns. Science fiction has always had those tropes and always will. Luckily, LeGuin brought more to it.

In the foreward, she calls out to her, great SF is descriptive, not predictive. TLHOD is about sex, gender, friendships and culture in our world.

Also a huge number of spacey contemporary works like A Mote in God's Eye, Rendezvous with Rama, Dune, Ringworld...

what does space-y mean in this context? Spacey, as in trippy (vernacular definition), in the way that Phillip K. Dick is? Or set in outer space?

If the second, there was a lot of sci-fi set in space for decades before The Left Hand of Darkness, and the cultural focus of that book and a lot of the new wave of science fiction writers of that time was a reaction against the outdated space focused science fiction of the previous generations.

She wrote a short essay on her blog about this: https://www.ursulakleguin.com/a-rant-about-technology

The TLDR is technology is how we cope with reality and for her it was more interesting to describe this reality and how it makes her subjects feel rather than describe the technology they use to address their problems.

I grew up reading Earthsea but later discovered Threshold/The Beginning Place. Some of her short stories are very good, too.

The Lathe of Heaven was the first I read and had a big impression on me. Much later, The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas did.

The WNET film of "The Lathe of Heaven" was wonderful. It was low-budget, and at times looked it, but captured the book well. It was unavailable for quite a while because of a scene centering around the Beatles' "With A Little Help from My Friends"; it was too expensive/complex to re-license it.

I've seen it a couple of times (it's on YouTube, IIRC) and it was well done but I much preferred the book.

I only know your mother from a distance, although sometimes that was only few blocks apart on the map, I'm not aware of even passing her on the on the street, I knew only the part of her revealed in her writing and records of her public speaking, but even from that distance she has been one of the most influencial people in my life, her writing had deep impact on me, my view of the world and the person I have become.

I just started reading the Earthsea series to my kids last night, what a coincidence to see this here! I discovered Le Guin relatively late in life and I'm so glad I did.

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Ursula was one of the finest authors in my lifetime, and was a real-life class act to boot. I dared talk to Ellison,Niven, Sturgeon but I only dared a smile in that presence!

I just wish Library of America published the Earthsea books

What a nice link. Thank you.

Lovely.

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“Ineffable” means “too great to be spoken in words,” so I’m wondering what you found sexualized about that.

A coworker made a sort of cartoon, pompous jerk says "Who dares disturb the ineffable blah blah blah"

Cleaning lady: "Sorry I had no idea you wasn't effable, I'll come back later"

that is to say since effable as a slang term for some someone that one might like to have sex with exists, it is a reasonable pun to make with ineffable as being, well, not effable. However one should probably be able to realize the ineffable in question is not a pun on the slang term and figure things out. Somewhat embarrassing really.

on edit: added in disturb, must have missed it because very tired.

Another meaning the word "effable" acquired in the last couple decades is a spelled out form of "f-able", as in fuckable. OP must've been unaware of the word's prior existence.

You'd have to deliberately misunderstand it, clearly if that's the first thing that pops up into your head when you read about someone putting together a memorial show for their mom that isn't the appropriate reading.

To clarify, I did deliberately misunderstand it.

Don't.

I think you perhaps misunderstood the meaning of some of the words used.

When in doubt, google. I had to google that word myself as a non-native speaker, nothing sexual there.

Bowing down to one's mother ain't something to scorn on. As Jim Jefferies and many others said, show them some proper respect since there won't be another person in your life that will ever love you more, or even equally... at least under normal circumstances

Why do people rate "The Left Hand of Darkness" so much? Is it because it was good at the time of writing? All concepts there are very shallow and mainstream now

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"The Left Hand of Darkness" was published in 1969. I'm a transgender person in my 30s and Le Guin's writing makes me emotional every time I reread it. The ideas about gender and sexuality are more mainstream than they were almost 60 years ago, but the future is not evenly distributed and I think TLHOD would be eye opening for a lot of readers. Le Guin's prose and world building also place her among the best science fiction writers of all time.

I think a lot of Asimov stories fall into the same category. When you shape a genre, looking back it all seems so obvious. I do think Le Guin wrote much better characters than Asimov.

Agree on "I, robot", but foundation series is still very good (probably because it's not really character-focused)

The core ideas are only mainstream in extremely modern and extremely liberal contexts. I bet the majority of teachers in this country would get shit for assigning this book, even at a college level.

Most people on earth still live in social and political environments where the core thought experiment of “The Left Hand of Darkness” – a human society without fixed male/female sexes – is not just unfamiliar but fundamentally unintuitive or threatening, which implies the book’s work is far from done.

In most countries, law, bureaucracy, language, and daily life remain built on a binary model of “men” and “women,” from ID documents to restrooms to family law. Surveys show that even where support for protecting transgender people from discrimination is relatively high, recognition of nonbinary identities and comfort with nonbinary social roles remains much weaker and highly contested. For a majority of readers shaped by these institutions, a society like Gethen, where nobody is permanently male or female and where gender roles have never crystallized, is not a recognizable extension of their world; it is a radical negation of how their societies are organized.

Globally, anti‑“gender ideology” movements and laws frame challenges to binary gender as dangerous Western imports, and they coordinate across borders from the US to Eastern Europe to parts of Africa and Asia. In places where same‑sex relationships are criminalized or where public discussion of queerness is suppressed, the premise of ambisexual humans would not just be controversial but literally unspeakable in mainstream forums. Even in regions that are relatively accepting of LGBT+ rights, polls show large minorities resistant to full legal and social recognition for trans and nonbinary people, indicating that the novel’s underlying claim – that gender categories themselves are contingent – remains outside everyday common sense.

Many major languages encode gender in grammar so deeply that even translating a gender‑ambiguous society is difficult, nudging readers back toward familiar male/female categories. This structural bias means that, for a majority of non‑English readers, the book’s attempt to erase stable gender can be partially blunted or reframed, underscoring just how far their linguistic and cultural worlds are from Gethen’s premise.

Research on nonbinary people repeatedly highlights “binary normativity”: the assumption that only two genders exist and are socially real, leading to erasure, misgendering, and lack of legal recognition. That everyday experience maps directly onto what Le Guin tried to imagine away on Gethen, showing that the novel’s central question – what happens to society when the binary disappears – still addresses a world that overwhelmingly cannot yet imagine such a disappearance. If most readers still inhabit strongly binary, often anti‑“gender ideology” cultures, then the book’s themes remain provocations from the margins rather than reflections of the mainstream, and its work of unsettling those assumptions is clearly not finished.

Because it's a fucking great book.

Books aren't made just from concepts. It's a great exploration of human concepts and interactions.

The keyword is now.

The first telephone is also pretty bad compared to nowadays phones.

Yes, but now it doesn't make sense to read it anymore right? It reads outdated and there are better books nowadays

I don’t treat literature like tech books. A new novel doesn’t supplant an old one. New expressions of old ideas don’t make old ideas obsolete

There are always better books, but how do you know? Do you take my word for it? “Hey, I’ve read ALL the books, and these new books here are the best … trust me.” Better to read the old books yourself and be sure, right?

Can you list some better books for those of us who liked Le Guin and are interested in what could be better?

I would suggest "In the Mothers’ Land" from Élisabeth Vonarburg. It also talk about alternate society centered around gender. I didnt really liked the left hand of the night, but liked that one. And LeGuin saluted the book apparently too.

it's hard to understand for me what you liked in Le Guin's books, but maybe Children Of Time?

That's a good example of "very shallow and mainstream" writing, but Tchaikovsky isn't in the same league as Le Guin at all.